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Re: REF URL require ToU/Conduct policy

I get a login dialog "Sign in with your Google Account", so it's a 
login plus a
surrendering of rights, and with it being Google, a tracking of which 
information I look at, from where and when, which will be composed with 
profiling information, and profiles from other people I interact with 
or that work in
the same organization, and all the other things Google knows or can 
deduce about us. 
With little imagination needed, this is chilling -- for businesses, for 
students, for
security researchers, and even for people who are just curious and 
happen to look it
up at the wrong time.  This setup also makes it possible for Google to 
provide or withhold security information.

Access to CVE security references should be as anonymous as can be 
practical, and
giving up rights in exchange for access goes against that because 
agreements require
accountability.  Access to security references should also be provided 
trackers.  However, policing that may be difficult and onerous.  By 
comparison it's
easy to require access without login and agreements so we should hold 
that as a
minimum.  I'd very much like to see "MUST NOT" chosen for your 2 
proposed sentences.


On Thu, 2018-06-21 at 19:07 -0600, Kurt Seifried wrote:
> So real world example I have a CVE request which has a reference url:
> https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/77809383
> the requires:
> Google IssueTracker Terms of Service
>  I acknowledge and agree to the Google Terms of Service
> <https://www.google.com/policies/terms/> and the Google IssueTracker
> Conduct Policy <https://issuetracker.google.com/terms>.
> Which... I dunno. I don't want links that require logins (because you 
> can't
> grab them with tools easily), and I feel like this is the same, and 
> also
> requiring people to agree to a ToU (that for example maybe requires 
> you to
> give up your first born) is not really kosher.
> So I'd like to add to the CVE/CNA docs discussion:
> can we get ruling on reference URL's, specifically:
> 1) Reference MUST/MUST NOT/SHOULD/SHOULD NOT/etc... require a login 
> of any
> sort (even a free login)
> 2) Reference MUST/MUST NOT/SHOULD/SHOULD NOT/etc... require 
> acceptance of
> ToU/Conduct Policy/etc.
> In my mind I should be able to "wget http://example.org/refurl/"; and 
> get
> the page. Anything less is not acceptable. But I also think the board
> should discuss this and rule on it and document it.

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