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RE: REF URL require ToU/Conduct policy

Yeah, this is unacceptable. On to the hard question: how can we enforce 
free and open access to references?

-----Original Message-----
From: Pascal Meunier [mailto:pmeunier@cerias.purdue.edu] 
Sent: 21 June, 2018 23:30
To: Kurt Seifried <kurt@seifried.org>; cve-editorial-board-list 
Subject: Re: REF URL require ToU/Conduct policy

I get a login dialog "Sign in with your Google Account", so it's a 
login plus a surrendering of rights, and with it being Google, a 
tracking of which security information I look at, from where and when, 
which will be composed with other profiling information, and profiles 
from other people I interact with or that work in the same 
organization, and all the other things Google knows or can deduce about 
With little imagination needed, this is chilling -- for businesses, for 
students, for security researchers, and even for people who are just 
curious and happen to look it up at the wrong time.  This setup also 
makes it possible for Google to selectively provide or withhold 
security information.

Access to CVE security references should be as anonymous as can be 
practical, and giving up rights in exchange for access goes against 
that because agreements require accountability.  Access to security 
references should also be provided without trackers.  However, policing 
that may be difficult and onerous.  By comparison it's easy to require 
access without login and agreements so we should hold that as a 
minimum.  I'd very much like to see "MUST NOT" chosen for your 2 
proposed sentences.


On Thu, 2018-06-21 at 19:07 -0600, Kurt Seifried wrote:
> So real world example I have a CVE request which has a reference url:
> https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/77809383
> the requires:
> Google IssueTracker Terms of Service
>  I acknowledge and agree to the Google Terms of Service 
> <https://www.google.com/policies/terms/> and the Google IssueTracker 
> Conduct Policy <https://issuetracker.google.com/terms>.
> Which... I dunno. I don't want links that require logins (because you 
> can't grab them with tools easily), and I feel like this is the same, 
> and also requiring people to agree to a ToU (that for example maybe 
> requires you to give up your first born) is not really kosher.
> So I'd like to add to the CVE/CNA docs discussion:
> can we get ruling on reference URL's, specifically:
> 1) Reference MUST/MUST NOT/SHOULD/SHOULD NOT/etc... require a login 
> of 
> any sort (even a free login)
> 2) Reference MUST/MUST NOT/SHOULD/SHOULD NOT/etc... require 
> acceptance 
> of ToU/Conduct Policy/etc.
> In my mind I should be able to "wget http://example.org/refurl/"; and 
> get the page. Anything less is not acceptable. But I also think the 
> board should discuss this and rule on it and document it.

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