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Re: [TECH] Numbering Schemes for Legacy Candidates



Thanks Steve.  If it was not for Cassandra, I would be supporting option
1 due to the KISS principle.  However, I like publication-based option
3) best, as long as people understand that it's a "best effort"
unreliable year assignment (to use an analogy, it would be more like UDP
than TCP) and that it will not be changed once assigned (e.g., if a
mistake in the year is discovered later).  Option 3 would be more viable
with a "fill-in" provision:  if 1999 becomes full, then use the
remaining name space in 2000.  Hopefully, 3 will converge into option 1.

If there is opposition to option 3 or if it proves too costly, option 1
with a note saying that it is a legacy candidate ("This is not a new
vulnerability!") would be acceptable.

Pascal

On Thursday, April 5, 2001, at 05:50 PM, Steven M. Christey wrote:

> All,
>
> MITRE expects to be proposing legacy candidates to the Board within a
> month or two.  However, as Board members discovered during an
> unexpectedly lengthy discussion at the face-to-face meeting, there are
> various ways that we could choose to number those legacy candidates.
> Each has strengths and weaknesses.
>
> Legacy candidates cannot be proposed until we've decided how they
> should be numbered.
>
> The meeting summary, included below, proposes 3 options:
>
> 1) Assignment-based encoding (i.e. the current approach) - use the
>    year that the number was assigned, e.g. CAN-2001-XXXX
>
> 2) Publication-based encoding - use the year that the issue was first
>    disclosed to the public, e.g. CAN-1997-XXXX
>
> 3) Hybrid encoding - use 1999-XXXX for all 1999 issues and earlier,
>    and use publication-based encoding for later years.
>
> There may be other options.  Slight variations are identified in the
> summary.
>
> While discussing this, we should account for:
>
> 1) Maintenance costs for CVE-compatible products/vendors
>
> 2) Possible confusion/misunderstanding by CVE users
>
> 3) Impact on CVE candidates and entries that already have numbers
>    assigned to them
>
>
> While discussing this, we should also remain open to the idea of
> switching to an entirely different numbering scheme for candidates and
> entries, as discussed at the meeting.  It will be easier to switch
> schemes sooner rather than later.  (See "Rethinking the CVE naming
> scheme" in the summary at
> http://cve.mitre.org/board/archives/2001-03/msg00014.html)
>
> Details are below.
>
> - Steve
>
>
>
> Numbering Scheme For Legacy Candidates
> --------------------------------------
>
> The current approach for numbering candidates is CAN-YYYY-NNNN, where
> YYYY is the year in which the candidate number is assigned - *not* the
> year in which the vulnerability is publicized.  (The same applies to
> CVE entry names, in which the CAN- prefix is converted to CVE-, but
> the rest of the identifier remains the same).
>
> If applied to legacy candidates, the current approach would produce
> many vulnerabilities that have CAN-2001-NNNN names, but were
> publicized in 1999 and earlier.  Many people may have the perception
> that the "year" slot in the CVE name is actually related to the year
> in which the vulnerability is publicized.  In addition, there may be
> an "aesthetic" desire to have the candidate name reflect the year of
> publication, as a high-level means of managing vulnerability
> information based on how old it is.
>
> Regardless of the public's misconception of the meaning of the year in
> the CVE name, many of the candidates/entries with 1999-NNNN names were
> actually announced earlier than 1999.  For the most part, CVE items
> with 2000-NNNN names were publicized in 2000, but some 2000-NNNN names
> are for older issues.  Similarly, some problems discovered in November
> and December 2000 have 2001-NNNN names.  So, many of the current
> CVE/CAN names are already inconsistent with respect to the year of
> publication for the associated vulnerabilities.
>
> However, depending on the number of new vulnerabilities discovered
> this year, and the number of legacy candidates that MITRE produces, it
> is possible that more than 10,000 candidate names will need to be
> assigned this year.  The name space only supports up to 9999 different
> names per yer.  (This is being referred to as "the CAN-10K problem").
> There are ways of extending the name space if necessary; for example,
> by moving to a hexadecimal numbering scheme instead of decimal, 65536
> different vulnerabilities could be assigned per year without changing
> the number of characters in the name.  However, it is not known
> whether such a change would adversely impact how some CVE-compatible
> products may store the CVE names.
>
> There are several factors that need to be considered when selecting a
> naming scheme for legacy candidates:
>
>   1) It was suggested that to help users manage CVE based on date of
>      publication, that a separate field could be added which lists
>      such a date.  However, this information is currently in other
>      databases, and thus increases the risk of CVE's competition with
>      those databases.  In addition, the date of publication would
>      rarely help someone in mapping a specific vulnerability to a CVE
>      name, although it is occasionally useful in discriminating
>      between extremely similar vulnerabilities in the same product.
>      The references and description, on the other hand, are essential
>      for looking up the CVE name for a problem.
>
>   2) If a naming scheme is adopted which encodes the year of
>      publication in the name, then all the entries or candidates that
>      currently exist should *NOT* be renamed just to make things
>      consistent, since there is such a large number of
>      CAN/CVE-1999-NNNN items that were not discovered in 1999.  The
>      maintenance costs would be high for CVE users and compatible
>      vendors.  Thus, even if the Board adopts a "publication-based"
>      encoding, it will not apply to all CVE items.
>
>   3) If a publication-based encoding is not used, then users will need
>      to be able to distinguish between new candidates and legacy
>      candidates.  This information could be provided in reports that
>      are accessible on the CVE web site.
>
> Following are the different approaches that were discussed by the
> Board.
>
>   1) Assignment-based encoding: continue to use the current approach,
>      i.e. assign CAN-2001-NNNN (or CVE-2001-NNNN) to the issue, since
>      2001 is the year in which the candidate is assigned.
>
>      Pro: emphasizes that the encoding of the year in the CVE name is
>      not related to the year of announcement.  Simplest to implement.
>
>      Con: increases the possibility of misuse by consumers.  For
>      example, consumers might focus on the last 200 CAN-2001-NNNN
>      candidates, mistakenly believing that they are the most recent
>      issues that have been discovered.
>
>      Con: susceptible to the CAN-10K problem.
>
>   2) Publication-based encoding: assign YYYY-NNNN, where YYYY is the
>      year in which the issue was first publicized.
>
>      Pro: more likely to address common public misconceptions.
>
>      Pro: least susceptible to the CAN-10K problem.
>
>      Pro: will be accurate for all issues that are publicized in 2002
>      and later.
>
>      Con: 1999-NNNN, and portions of 2000-NNNN and 2001-NNNN, will not
>      be consistent with the approach.
>
>      Con: some complications if a vulnerability is publicized one
>      year, a candidate is created, and then it becomes clear that the
>      problem was actually publicized in earlier years.
>
>   3) Hybrid encoding.  If the problem was published in 1999 or
>      earlier, use 1999-NNNN; otherwise, use the year of publication.
>
>      Pro: emphasizes that the encoding of the year in the CVE name is
>      not related to the year of publication, for any issues that were
>      publicized in 1999 or earlier.
>
>      Pro: For 2002 and later years - and all but the first 150
>      candidates of 2001 - the year of publication will be encoded in
>      the CVE name.
>
>      Con: For 2000 and 2001, some candidate names will not include the
>      year of publication.
>
>      Con: most susceptible to the CAN-10K problem, because there may
>      be more than 10,000 vulnerabilities from 1999 and earlier that
>      ultimately require names.
>
> To help end users better manage or discriminate between new and legacy
> issues, and highlight the differences for purposes of user education,
> it was suggested that legacy candidates be assigned names with the
> highest sequence numbers available.  For example, one could start at
> CAN-2001-9999, CAN-2001-9998, etc. for legacy candidates that are
> created in 2001.  An alternate scheme was proposed in which legacy
> issues could be assigned CAN-2001-5000 and advanced upward.  However,
> it is possible that these significant gaps could cause confusion.  In
> addition, some people may be using the highest-numbered candidate for
> other purposes, which could have unexpected consequences.  For
> example, it was noted that some people mirror individual CVE entries
> and candidates on the CVE web site by requesting information up to 100
> "sequence numbers" above the most recent candidate; such mirrors might
> immediately attempt to download 10,000 candidates for 2001, instead of
> the current number of about 250.
>
> Regardless of which approach is adopted, users will need to be
> educated about it.  It is likely that additional information will be
> needed on the CVE site; in addition, CVE-compatible vendors will need
> to address user misconceptions.
>
> Also, MITRE will not be able to start proposing legacy candidates
> until the numbering scheme is finalized.
>

 
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